View Full Version : Need fuel system help, Please!


Old Frog
06-02-2007, 10:03 AM
Good Morning. Please allow a question from a newbe. This problem is getting the best of me. [/align][/align]The vehicle is a1997 Safari Van AWD,4.3 withaCSFI fuel system. 155K on the clock.I have owned since 15K & the maintenance has been good. The van has an intermittent no start problem fuel which, I am thinking isaresult oflow fuel systempressure.[/align][/align]My previous diagnostic efforts lead me to replace the in tank pump with a new Delco unit. The tank was cleaned. A new filter was installed.The pressure was still low. A return fuel line restricting valve test done (pressure from the in tank pump to high high 60's (I did not push it higher)) indicated afaulty fuel pressure regulator. A new fuel pressure regulator w/ screen & o-rings installed was installed.[/align][/align]Currently the engine runs & operates fine once started. It restarts fine when warm. The engine runs great once running. [/align]- No CELs are displayed.
-There are no visible leaks. No visible kinks or restrictions in the fuel lines.[/align][/align]- Fuel pump relay & electrical system components all appear fine. KeyOn, Engine Off, pumpcycles & pressure builds to approx. 52 PSI. Engine will start with a shot of starting fluid & continue to run & drive fine after that. Warm restarts areimmediate.Cold restarts thefollowing morning do not happen.[/align][/align]I have driven the van around with the engine box off watching the fuel pressure gage. From a cold start: [/align] - System pressure reads 0. [/align] - KeyOn, Engine off, Pressure builds to approx.52 PSI, but the engine still will not start. Starting fluid is needed to start. [/align] -With engine running & in normaldriving, pressure gage readings range in the mid 50's to low 60's. Idle is in the low 50's with an occasional dip to about 48 or 49. [/align] - Engine turned off. The gage reads about 55 PSI & holds up to several hours. Warm restarts like this are not a problem. [/align] - Over night, the system pressure drops to 0 & the above cycle repeats. [/align][/align]My Haynes manual states the spec is: Key On, Engine Off:Approx. 55 to 61 PSI Engine Running: Pressure should decrease by 3 to 10 PSI. Thus, I am thinking it is a low pressure problem of some type. Something that prevents the pump from building the pressure @ a cold start. [/align][/align]I am starting to get POed by this time. Any suggestions on where to look next or how to proceed from herewould sure be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob[/align]

97benzman
06-03-2007, 09:22 AM
:eek:i know this may sound a little off, but with all the parts u say u have replace, have u re-booted ur engine control unit by disconnecting the battery ground cable?

Old Frog
06-03-2007, 11:41 AM
Thanks for the input. I did reboot & idscharge the residual charge.

At this point I am beginning to wonder if it is a sensor malfunction @ cold start that is throwing off the fuel/air mixture or perhaps timing. Or event the CSFI to MFI fuel system tsb issue. I have read some on that, but syptoms do not fully match. Mine is a cold start with a smooth idle while the tsb mentions warm starts & rough idle.

Any more ideas or sugestions would sure be welcome. Bob

BigBoom360ci
08-06-2007, 11:26 AM
Have you thought about the injection parts being non effiecient enoughfrom being 10 years old?