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Old 04-06-2008, 04:32 PM
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If you follow those instructions exactly you will see great production. That includes how the plates are prepped.
Also get some sodium or potassium hydroxide instead of baking soda. I ordered it Friday and I should see it this week.
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:37 PM
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Oh, by the way, welcome to the forum!!! I hope you will stick around since you built these things. I have a question for you, the plate configuration, if I am looking at right the only plates that have power are the outer two, and the only ones that are negative are the middle two, so what are the plates in between? and how does that work?
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:31 PM
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Northey- I watched that video last week. I believe the two outer plates are connected to the wires. Then he spaced the plates with steel washers to keep them charged except for the ones he wanted negative where he used nylon washers. But I could be wrong, and Im not sure why he did it anyway. From what I have seen your mix concentration determines how much amps are drawn and how much heat is made. You can adjust that by using more or less conductor. Like I said I could be wrong.
Oh yeah- welcome to the forum rtsurfer- how are your results coming and can you clear this up any?
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:49 PM
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Thanks I just found this forum on this topic from google. So the plate configuration he is using divide the plates in half right down the middle. Only look at one half.
So you have negative/neutral/ neutral/ neutral/ neutral/ neutral/ neutral/positive.

The way the system work is in order for the current to get from the positive plate to the negative is has to pass through and around the neutral plates. Therefore charging them even through they are not attached to either positive or negative but make them act like the negative plate butstill drawing voltage. If they were attached the unit will have to need more voltage. But instead nocks the voltage down as it jumps across each plate. Brining it down to around 2-4volts. That is all any of these system need. Anything over that heats the water. Do not get me wrong the water will heat up but the temp should be around 120degrees.

So far mine has finally stayed steady temperature for the last 2 days. Current has not gone over 20amps and my volt meter is still at 13volts. As were when the current would jump up to 20+amps the volt draw was down to 10-11 volts. It got crazy.

And no the washers he uses are all nylon, and they are not making contact. The only plates making contact are the plates with the Stainless steel nut next to it.
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http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8FX5Ryg.../Chapter10.pdf
Page 10-14 explains why is works in detail.
Hope that helps.
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:54 PM
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I am learning as I do. Lots of mistakes were and are being made. But that is how I learn. Read it then try it- put out a few fires but i am still trying new things.

Where I am at now is all listed here
http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f107/h...esults-345731/
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:03 PM
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Do you think the temp would get higher if I stacked two of the plate thingys (independent of eachother) one on top of the other in the same container? because I have the room.
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:20 PM
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northey the propane just has a adjustment on the back of the mixerto make it richer or leaner, might require a little bit of tweaking with hydrogen, rtsurfer you bring up some good points, im going to change a few things on my system, my plates were stacked horizontally which probably isnt the best, i used regular tap water with baking soda, spacing is about a 1/4 inch, see how good i can make it produce
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The reason I asked was because that is the adapter that I would be getting is basicallya porpane mixer from Impco, I like to hear that it is adjustable on the mixer itself.
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some propane systems have the mixture screw on the line going to the mixer
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From whatI thinkthe guy I talked tosaid is that there is a mixer screw on the mixer, but I will call them again a double check.
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