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January 31st, 2010, 7:42 PM   #1  
Heated Seats out - no clicking!

Hey everyone. I have a 2003 Tahoe Z71. My heated seats (both driver and passenger) aren't working right. They both turn on, and after about 30 seconds, turn off. Unlike another recent post, there is no clicking, just a power down.

Then if you turn them back on, they only stay on for about 15 seconds. Each subsquent time, they stay on a shorter and shorter time.

Tried changing the fuse, but still the same result.

Thoughts?? Thanks in advance!

 
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February 7th, 2010, 12:58 PM   #2  
Welcome to the forum. Someone here should have some help.

 
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March 1st, 2010, 1:19 AM   #3  
Me Too

I have the same problem in my '03 Tahoe LT. Have you found any answers. Thanks

 
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March 1st, 2010, 9:54 AM   #4  
nothing yet

nope, no solution yet. might switch them on today...see if time solved the problem...I know, wishful thinking.

 
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January 18th, 2011, 8:43 PM   #5  
Did you get your problem fixed? Does anyone have any suggestions or advice to this problem? I now have the same problem. Any help is greatly appreciated.

 
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January 18th, 2011, 8:49 PM   #6  
Service Information 2003 Chevrolet Tahoe - 2WD | Avalanche, Escalade, Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon (VIN C/K) Service Manual | Document ID: 1864985
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#PIT3287D: Heated Seat Inoperative Or Shuts Off In 30 Seconds - keywords B1825 B2435 B2440 B3606 - (Oct 2, 2006)


Subject: Heated Seat Inoperative or Shuts Off In 30 Seconds


Models: 2003-2006 Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV, Escalade EXT

2003-2006 Chevrolet Avalanche, Suburban, Tahoe

2003-2007 Silverado Classic

2003-2007 GMC Sierra Classic, Sierra Denali Classic

2003-2006 Yukon, Yukon Denali, Yukon XL, Yukon Denali XL

2003-2007 Hummer H2




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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern:
Driver and passenger heated seats inoperative or shut off in 30 seconds. There will be DTCs B2435, B2440, B3606 and/or B1825 set in the Drivers Seat Module. The adjustable pedal position sensor, seat recliner position sensor and both heat seat thermistors share the same 5 volt reference internal to the Drivers Seat Module. A fault in any of these components/circuits can make the heated seats inoperative or shut off in 30 seconds, as well as, the seat recliner and/or adjustment pedals may move in short increments when operated. A fault in heated seats, adjustable pedal or seat recliner will affect BOTH heated seats.

Note:: Even if the vehicle is not equipped with adjustable pedals DTC B3606 still may set.

Recommendation/Instructions:
To help isolate the area of concern use the Tech 2 and go to "Sensor Data" in the Drivers Seat Module. Monitor the following parameters for being out of range:

Recline Position- Normal range .39V-4.58V

Pedal Position (if equipped) - Normal range .39V-4.58V

Psgr. Seat Heat Sensor- Normal range 1V-4V

Drvr. Seat Heat Sensor- Normal range 1V-4V

If a parameter is found to be out of range inspect circuits for any opens, shorts to ground, or voltage. If none found replace the suspect component.

Please be aware of the following common areas of concern:

The adjustable pedal position sensor internally shorted pulling the 5 volt reference low. Disconnect the adjustable pedal position sensor and see if the heated seats start working correctly, if so replace.
Note Important:: The APP (Accelerator Pedal Position) sensor is NOT the adjustable pedal position sensor. Make sure the correct sensor, adjustable pedal position sensor, is disconnected.

The seat recliner position sensor internally shorted pulling the 5 volt reference low. Disconnect the recliner position sensor and see if heated seats start working correctly, if so replace.
An open in either heated seat thermistor circuits (signal or low reference). The most common is the passenger thermistor where it passes through seat connector C305 pin "L" or "K" or C399 pins "R" or "G".
A chaff to ground on either heated seat thermistor signal circuits. The most common is circuit 5475 black/red or dark blue shorted to ground in the passenger seat near the buckle.
Note Important:: The heated seat thermistors act differently to "OPENS and SHORTS" than the adjustable pedal position sensor and seat recliner position sensor. The adjustable pedals and seat recliner sensors can be disconnected for testing of the heated seats. Where as the heated seat thermistor circuit must be working correctly before EITHER heated seat will operate. Disconnecting one thermistor, which may have a concern will not allow the opposite heated seat to work correctly, BOTH side must be operational before EITHER heated seat will operate.

Clearing DTCs

If DTCs will not clear when using the Tech 2 after a repair has been made, try operating the device in which the repair was made. Example, if a repair was made to the passenger heated seat thermistor circuit, the DTCs may not clear unless the passenger heated seat is operated.

Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.



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January 19th, 2011, 7:12 PM   #7  
Thanks for the info, however I am somewhat confused with this statement:

The adjustable pedal position sensor internally shorted pulling the 5 volt reference low. Disconnect the adjustable pedal position sensor and see if the heated seats start working correctly, if so replace.
Note Important:: The APP (Accelerator Pedal Position) sensor is NOT the adjustable pedal position sensor. Make sure the correct sensor, adjustable pedal position sensor, is disconnected.

Is there two different adjustable pedal position sensor?

 
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January 23rd, 2011, 11:06 AM   #8  
I have a 2004 Suburban Z71 with the same problem. 30 seconds, no heat in either seat. I will follow this post for assistance. Thanks

 
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January 23rd, 2011, 12:17 PM   #9  
Pedal position vs accelarator position

Posted By: woodlaker Thanks for the info, however I am somewhat confused with this statement:

The adjustable pedal position sensor internally shorted pulling the 5 volt reference low. Disconnect the adjustable pedal position sensor and see if the heated seats start working correctly, if so replace.
Note Important:: The APP (Accelerator Pedal Position) sensor is NOT the adjustable pedal position sensor. Make sure the correct sensor, adjustable pedal position sensor, is disconnected.

Is there two different adjustable pedal position sensor?
adjustable pedal position sensor senses the in and out position of both brake and accelerator pedals when setting the pedals for comfort

accelerator pedal position sensor senses the position of the accelerator pedal as your foot moves it to accelerate or decelerate regardless of where your pedals are adjusted for ergonomics

 
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February 4th, 2011, 1:34 PM   #10  
I have the same problem with 2009 Suburban. Is this something that can be done by me or do I have to take to dealer?

 
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