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Old December 5th, 2009, 8:13 AM
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I am new here and this might have been discussed before, I don't know. I just recently bought a 2007 Suburban that as far as I know had always been serviced at the dealer. It now has 3000 miles on the oil change. The oil life monitor says it still has 53% oil life remaining. Question is do I stay old school and change at 3000 miles or do I go by the monitor?
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Go by the monitor, that's what it's there for. It's pretty sophisticated and it works.
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Everyone has their opinion, I change mine at 3000miles. By then it says around 55%, but I've been doing a lot of city driving, if it was Highway I'd prolly let it go more. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to go by the monitor. I know some people that sometimes let it go to 8 or 9,000miles on a oil change.
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dont go by the monitor. If you do a lot of highway change it a 3000 miles. In winter change it more often specially if you do small trips that does not give the time to dilute the condensation in the oil. Small rides likes a few miles or less makes your oil becomes more dirty rapidly.
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Originally Posted by capucine
dont go by the monitor. If you do a lot of highway change it a 3000 miles. In winter change it more often specially if you do small trips that does not give the time to dilute the condensation in the oil. Small rides likes a few miles or less makes your oil becomes more dirty rapidly.
You realize the OLM takes all the variables you mentioned plus a lot more into account in determining the oil life.
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So you are sayin the vehicle anylizes your driving and based on that data determines when you should chane your oil??? I think it is just a mileage indicator that you can change in the program however you want it. Any experts out there?
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Originally Posted by HoleInOne
So you are sayin the vehicle anylizes your driving and based on that data determines when you should chane your oil??? I think it is just a mileage indicator that you can change in the program however you want it. Any experts out there?
Yes that is what I am saying. It is NOT a mileage indicator that can be changed.

It was designed by a Dr. Shirley Schwartz that is regarded as one of the foremost experts of lubrication. It has been in development since the 80's and isn't something they just threw together and hope for the best. Other manufacturers have leased the technology directly or used it as a basis for their own monitoring systems.

If you are really interested in how it works this thread outlines it fairly well (written by one of the engineers).

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...&Number=130050

Here are some excerpts from the first post:
The GM engine oil life monitor counts engine revolutions and accumulates the number for the basis of the oil life calculation. It then adds deterioration factors for operating temperature, start up temperature, soak times, ambient, coolant temperature, etc... There are a LOT of factors that "adjust" or affect the slope of the deterioration but the fundamental deterioration is traced back to the ZDP depletion that is inescapable with engine revolutions. The specific rate of ZDP depletion is readily measurable for any given engine so that is the fundamental item that is first calibrated for the oil life algorithm to tailor it specifically to that engine.

You would obviously like to get the oil out of the engine before the ZDP concentration gets so low that it is ineffective at being at the right place at the right time and preventing engine wear so that becomes the long term limit on oil life for that application.

The other things that determine oil life such a acid build up, oxidation, petane insuluables such as silicon from dust/dirt, carbon or soot build up from the EGR in blowby, water contamination, fuel contamination, etc.... are all modeled by the multipliers or deterioration factors that "adjust" the immediate slope of the line defined by the engine revolution counter as those items can be modeled in other ways and accounted for in the immediate slope of the ZDP depletion line.

The algorithm was developed over the course of many years by several lubrication experts at GM Fuels and Lubes, spearheaded by Doctor Shirley Schwartz who holds the patents (with GM) for the algorithm and the oil life montitor. I had the luck of working directly with Dr. Schwartz when the idea of the oil life monitor first progressed from the theoretical/lab stage to real world testing/development/validation. There were fleets of cars operated under all conditions that deteriorate the oil life for any and every reason and , thru oil sampling and detailed analysis of the oil condition, the algorithm was developed, fine tuned and validated to be the most accurate way invented yet to recommend an oil change interval by. As just one example, I have seen cars driven side-by-side on trips, one towing a trailer and one not, for instance, to prove the effectiveness of the oil life monitor in deteriorating the oil at a faster rate just because of the higher load, higher average RPM, higher temps, etc...and it works flawlessly.

The oil life monitor is so effective because: it is customized for that specific vehicle/engine, it takes everything into account that deteriorates the oil, it is ALWAYS working so as to take into account THAT INDIVIDUALS driving schedule, and it tailors the oil change to that schedule and predicts, on an ongoing basis, the oil life remaining so that that specific individual can plan an oil change accordingly. No other system can do this that effectively.

One thing is that I know personally from years of testing and thousands of oil analysis that the oil life algorithm works. There is simply no argument to the contrary. If you don't believe me, fine, but, trust me, it works. It is accurate because it has been calibrated for each specific engine it is installed on and there is considerable testing and validation of the oil life monitor on that specific application. NOt something that oil companies or Amsoil do. They generalize....the oil life monitor is very specific for that application.

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There is considerable safety factor in the GM oil life monitor. Typically, I would say, there is a 2:1 safety factor in the slope of the ZDP depletion curve....in other words, zero percent oil life per the ZDP depletion is not zero ZDP but twice the concentration of ZDP considered critical for THAT engine to operate under all conditions reliably with no wear. This is always a subject of discussion as to just how low do you want the ZDP to get before the oil is "worn out" if this is the deciding factor for oil life. We would tend to be on the conservative side. If the oil life is counting down on a slope that would recommend a 10K change interval then there is probably 20K oil life before the ZDP is catostrophically depleted....not that you would want to go there...but reason why many people are successful in running those change intervals.

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There are entire SAE papers written on the GM oil life monitor and one could write a book on it so it is hard to touch on all aspects of it in a single post. Hopefully we hit the high spots. Realize that a GREAT deal of time, work and energy went into developing the oil life monitor and it has received acclaim from engineering organizations, petroleum organizations, environmental groups all across the board. It is not some widget invented in a week and tacked onto the car.
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Great post snowjay, it's always good to show a reference rather that just an opinion.
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Awesome post snowjay. I read all 7 pages of that thread... I have a new belief in keeping the 5w30. Even though it goes against what I was taught growing up around heavy duty trucks. I also have a new belief in the Oil Life Monitor system, and if I follow that and my engine blows... Oh well, Time to drop 3grand into it and have some real power. And if it doesn't blow... Oh well, Time to drop 3grand into it and get some real power.
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Originally Posted by mudmaniac
Great post snowjay, it's always good to show a reference rather that just an opinion.
Thanks. I sometimes forget that not everyone knows the particulars of how it works.

Originally Posted by nauticstar87
Awesome post snowjay. I read all 7 pages of that thread... I have a new belief in keeping the 5w30. Even though it goes against what I was taught growing up around heavy duty trucks. I also have a new belief in the Oil Life Monitor system, and if I follow that and my engine blows... Oh well, Time to drop 3grand into it and have some real power. And if it doesn't blow... Oh well, Time to drop 3grand into it and get some real power.


It is an impressive system that's for sure. I remember when my parents Caddy's first came with the OLM in the early 90's. Not much was written on it at the time (at least not to a consumer) but they never had any issues going by the OLM. I've kept up with it over the years reading what I could on it but I think that post/thread pretty much tells it all.


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