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Mysterious rough idle

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Hello,

I have a 2014 Chevy Suburban LTZ (5.3L) with 148,000 miles. I do all my own maintenance and keep her in as good of shape as I can. Recently she started to have a slightly rough idle. (Her first issue besides a cracked dashboard) Initially it was intermittent, sometimes idling perfectly smooth and sometimes the idle was noted to get a little low causing a slight shake. I could barely see the Rpm needle moving but it was noticeable. I figured it was possibly carbon build up or possibly dirty fuel injectors. I tried a concentrate fuel injector cleaner but there was no apparent change. I then did the following:
  • Using an OBD2 reader I see a P0300 Random Misfire (No Check Engine Light)
  • Short Term Fuel Trim on both Bank 1 & Bank 2 is approximately 0% to -2%
  • Long Term Fuel Trim on both Bank 1 & Bank 2 is approximately -17% to -20% (Rich)
  • Idle rpm varies from ~620 to 550
  • Engine running fuel pressure = ~42/43 psi
  • Replaced 8 new spark plugs (No change)
  • Replaced 8 new spark plug wires (No change)
  • Replaced 8 new ignition coils (No change)
  • Cleaned MAF sensor (No change)
  • Mass air flow rate from MAF sensor = 0.706 lb/min (Should ideally read around (5.3 grams per second at idle)
  • Converting 0.706 lb/min to grams per second (x453.6 / 60) results in approximately 5.34 g/s.
  • Unplugged MAF sensor to see if there was a change (Ran worse and threw MAF codes)
By now the slightly rough idle is getting worse, sometimes stumbling and sounding like it wants to die before the ECU catches it. I then did the following:
  • Removed and cleaned the throttle body.
  • Noted it as somewhat dirty, dirtier on the back side of the butterfly.
  • Noted the intake appears slightly wet.
  • Re-installed and did the idle re-learn procedure (No change)
  • P0300 Random Misfire remains (No Check Engine Light)
  • Long Term Fuel Trim on both Bank 1 & Bank 2 is approximately -17% to -20% (Rich)
By now the slightly rough idle is causing the engine to randomly die when slowing down to a stop (This happened twice)

I then
  • Replaced 8 new fuel injectors
  • Replaced the EVAP Purge valve
  • Noted reduction on idle stumbling below 500 rpm, no engine shutting off noted while slowing down however slightly rough idle remains
  • P0300 Random Misfire remains (No Check Engine Light)
  • Long Term Fuel Trim on both Bank 1 & Bank 2 is approximately -17% to -20% (Rich)
I then
  • Dropped the fuel tank and replaced the fuel pump / fuel pressure regulator assembly
  • Fuel tank appeared very clean inside
  • Used compressed air to blow out all the fuel and vent lines, no debris/charcoal came out of the lines (Only a small amount of fuel)
  • Reinstalled and drove ~5 miles round trip to the gas station to fill up.
  • Started right up, no leaks, fuel gauge works, no issues filling.
  • Idle still feels slightly rough.
  • P0300 Random Misfire remains (No Check Engine Light)
  • Long Term Fuel Trim on both Bank 1 & Bank 2 is approximately -17% to -20% (Rich)
My next steps will be to inspect, clean or replace the O2 sensors.
What else am I missing? Why is this engine running rich on both fuel banks?

Other maintenance I have recently done:
  • New brake pads and rotors
  • New tires
  • New front and rear air suspension
  • New serpentine belt
  • New battery
  • New wipers
Thank you for any help or thoughts.

Last edited by Busutil; Today at 12:34 AM.
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