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'93 Suburban, freaky intermittent electrical short--won't start during short

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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 12:25 PM
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Ground lug: tan w/white strip and black w/white stripe. Bolts to back of A/C compressor

This thing sparks when the engine is warm, indicating a short. The engine will not start at that time. When this thing isn't shorting out, the engine starts fine. Engine starts fine with this disconnected. Any thoughts (I don't have a wiring schematic)?

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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 3:57 PM
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Where is it's home when connected??
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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 4:11 PM
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The ground lug at the rear of the A/C compressor (that's a closeup of that lug in the photo).
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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 4:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSilverado
The ground lug at the rear of the A/C compressor (that's a closeup of that lug in the photo).
Put a real terminal on it.
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Old Oct 20, 2020 | 9:58 AM
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seems like something upstream is dumping 12v to that ground. A schematic would help (I've seen them posted for this car somewhere but can't remember) but probably you need to trace the wires back looking for damaged wires. I would think some component failing/shorting out would blow a fuse. Guessing this is a power and ground wire making contact somewhere due to cut/damage/wear. A schematic won't help find that.
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Old Oct 21, 2020 | 11:42 AM
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Savbino56, you're thinking along the same lines that I am. Anyhow, I ordered the factory wiring schematic book, just to understand the circuits involved.

So, one more time, here's what happens:
  • turn key to start and sparks come to that terminal, indicating short
  • disconnect the terminal from ground and the engine cranks right up when you turn the key to start
  • intermittent problem, so the two wires rubbing together theory could be correct
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Old Oct 21, 2020 | 4:49 PM
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btw - I remembered where the schematics were - https://www.gmt400.com/threads/88-95...manuals.43575/

page 160 shows circuit for AC clutch, high pressure switch and assuming ground is for that as ground is to AC - shows that it goes to a fuseable link which may explain why it's not blowing a fuse. There is also a diode across power/grnd on clutch coil - but I thought those things died and were dead, not intermittent. But I'm not an electrical guy so don't know for sure.
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Old Oct 22, 2020 | 8:56 AM
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Thanks. Valuable info and link!

I'll take a look as well.
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Old Oct 22, 2020 | 11:41 PM
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sparks do not always indicate a short. That is a ground wire, and should be connected to chassis ground.

Sparks can indicate a poor or intermittent connection though. Clean the terminal with a wire brush and re-tighten the bolt.
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Old Oct 23, 2020 | 11:00 AM
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Thanks MMJ, however, that doesn't seem square with the way the starter won't crank when the ground lug is connected (instead a spark occurs), but if I unhook the wire from that ground the starter cranks right up. It seems more to match this from the wiring manual:


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