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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 6:37 PM
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Replaced front calipers, hoses, pads on my 98 k2500. Cannot get them bled. I have fluid to the blenders, but pedal goes to the floor every time, whether truck is running or not. I keep the abs fuse out for another issue, but I put it back in and got the abs motor to run several times and tried to bleed again and same thing. The brakes will eventually pump up, but after opening the bleeder while helper holds pedal to floor, I still get the same thing.
The truck has sat off and on and the calipers were sticking is why they were replaced. I've done brake work before, but never had this issue. Help is appreciated.
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 6:44 PM
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Replaced front calipers, hoses, pads on my 98 k2500. Cannot get them bled. I have fluid to the blenders, but pedal goes to the floor every time, whether truck is running or not. I keep the abs fuse out for another issue, but I put it back in and got the abs motor to run several times and tried to bleed again and same thing. The brakes will eventually pump up, but after opening the bleeder while helper holds pedal to floor, I still get the same thing.
The truck has sat off and on and the calipers were sticking is why they were replaced. I've done brake work before, but never had this issue. Help is appreciated.
Try back flushing.
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Old Dec 12, 2020 | 4:54 PM
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Replaced front calipers, hoses, pads on my 98 k2500. Cannot get them bled. I have fluid to the blenders, but pedal goes to the floor every time, whether truck is running or not. I keep the abs fuse out for another issue, but I put it back in and got the abs motor to run several times and tried to bleed again and same thing. The brakes will eventually pump up, but after opening the bleeder while helper holds pedal to floor, I still get the same thing.
The truck has sat off and on and the calipers were sticking is why they were replaced. I've done brake work before, but never had this issue. Help is appreciated.
Just off the master cylinder, the lines connect to a combination metering and proportioning valve. On each end of the valve, under a black rubber cap, is a plunger. As the brake pedal is depressed, the plunger extends outward as the valve operates (only one of them moves but I can’t remember which one - having a helper press the brake pedal while you watch/feel for movement is an easy way to find it).

When trying to bleed the system, the plunger must be retained in its at rest position to allow complete flow through the valve. There is a specific tool for it (linked below) but a dime or penny and a couple of zip ties will work just as well.

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Old Dec 12, 2020 | 9:42 PM
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Just off the master cylinder, the lines connect to a combination metering and proportioning valve. On each end of the valve, under a black rubber cap, is a plunger. As the brake pedal is depressed, the plunger extends outward as the valve operates (only one of them moves but I can’t remember which one - having a helper press the brake pedal while you watch/feel for movement is an easy way to find it).

When trying to bleed the system, the plunger must be retained in its at rest position to allow complete flow through the valve. There is a specific tool for it (linked below) but a dime or penny and a couple of zip ties will work just as well.

https://www.amazon.com/OTC-OTC7853-V.../dp/B000K1FVLW
Yes, I did bleed the abs with the plunger, but I did not know about retaining it when bleeding the rest of the system. Thanks
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 1:43 PM
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There are 2 rubber caps on the abs block and.1 has a plunger and.the other is hollow for about an inch and a half and bottoms out. I put a clamp on the plunger to retain it and bled entire system. The pedal still goes to the floor 4 times before any real resistance.
I had suspected the master cylinder. I disconnected the lines from the master and used block off plugs to see if it would get firm and it did. Then I hooked up the back and it got firm. The problem is in the front. I have bled numerous times, but still do not have brakes on the front.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 8:10 AM
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Is the MC reservoir clean? I’ve bled brakes on several vehicles using pressure, manual and gravity bleeding (and combinations of them) and if there’s sediment in the reservoir, any of those methods can fail.

On occasion, I’ve been able to remove air from the front lines by fully compressing the calipers (make sure the MC reservoir cap is removed) while they’re mounted on the hub using a C clamp. Sometimes I’ll compress them, then pump them up again until the pads contact the rotor, then compress them again.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 10:18 AM
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Is the MC reservoir clean? I’ve bled brakes on several vehicles using pressure, manual and gravity bleeding (and combinations of them) and if there’s sediment in the reservoir, any of those methods can fail.

On occasion, I’ve been able to remove air from the front lines by fully compressing the calipers (make sure the MC reservoir cap is removed) while they’re mounted on the hub using a C clamp. Sometimes I’ll compress them, then pump them up again until the pads contact the rotor, then compress them again.
I wouldn't say the reservoir was clean. I did see some floaties in it after I started, but at one point I did wipe it out, but maybe it was too late. I do have a reman master for it. Didn't think that would fix it after doing the block off plug test, but willing to try anything at this point.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 11:51 AM
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If the pedal was firm with the MC ports blocked off, the MC is fine.

One thing you could try is pinching off the front caliper hoses one at a time and checking pedal feel - if it’s noticeably stiffer with one side pinched, the air is isolated to that circuit.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 12:11 PM
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Will keep hunting, thanks.
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Old Dec 16, 2020 | 9:02 AM
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If one of the pistons in MC had bad seal, wouldn’t the pedal still be firm if outlets blocked? If piston closest to pushrod was bad you’d have a bit more pedal travel but it would firm up. If piston furthest from pushrod was bad you wouldn’t be able to tell by blocking outlets.
I think if you want to test MC by capping outlets you have to cap one, catch the other and then swap and cap the other, catch the other.
Not saying it’s the MC, sounds like air given you say it can firm up eventually by pumping pedal.

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