my 5.3 AFM rebuild experience
I have an 09 GMC sierra 1500 with the AFM DOD. The motor has right at 200,000 on it. I'm about to take it out, put all new piston rings, have the block honed out, new lifters, valve springs, seals, rocker arms, push rods, rod bearings, stage one cam, gonna throw some long tubes on it as well, basically an entire overhaul. Its used oil for awhile now but I've never dropped a lifter or had any mechanical failures. I'm gonna have it tuned of course after I get everything done to delete the afm dod option. Just wondering if anyone else has had a 5.3 overhauled like this and had any issues afterwards? Thanks
Here is my experience. My 2015 silverado 5.3 with the "brilliantly" designed AFM system got a cylinder misfire code. It was cylinder 4. I had no idea what AFM even was at that point, so I did the typical troubleshooting steps. I swapped out the plug, then I swapped the coil pack with another cylinder, then I removed and cleaned the fuel injector. Nothing worked, so I pulled the valve cover and saw my intake valve was not functioning. Thats when I started researching the problem and learned all about AFM. I had noticed that the truck would burn about a quart of oil every few months, and I never could find a leak. So I took it to my mechanic, and he found that the cheap *** plastic lifter tray had spun the lifter. At that time he said the camshaft was ok, so he replaced the trays and lifters on the passenger side. I bought a device that plugs into your diagnostic port and disables the AFM. I ran for about 2 months and the exact same thing happened. My mechanic told me he was wrong about the camshaft being good, so it ate the new lifter. At that point he said since I needed a new camshaft he would have to do both heads. He is probably the most honest mechanic I have ever met so he agreed to only charge to do the drivers side and he would do the labor on the passenger side free. I decided at that point to get rid of AFM altogether so I bought an AFM delete kit, which came with everything to eliminate the AFM. But, you have to reprogram the control module so it doesn't know about the AFM. I found a guy in Missouri, sent him my module, and he programmed it for $50. My mechanic charged me about $1500, the delete kit was about $600. I had paid about $1500 for the first repair so if you do it right the first time, it should cost around $3,600. If it hasn't had any trouble yet, I recommend spending the $200 for the device that plugs into your diagnostic port. It prevents the AFM lifters from collapsing. By the way, since I removed the AFM crap, my truck no longer burns oil.
I recently had a delete done about 6-8 months ago. After getting the truck back, I was having an issue where my oil pressure would drop from ~40 lbs at cold crank to ~20 lbs at operation temps. Prior it would stay around the 40 range. Tried replacing the pressure sensor (took out the screen under it), found out the mechanic didn't put in the AFM plugs or the oil bypass plug so I did this myself. While doing this I put in a new oil pump and pick-up tube O-ring. After this the pressure still did the same. Thinking I got a bad sensor, I put another in. Still the same issue on oil pressure. Then about a month ago my new oil pump went out (I didn't prime it). So while putting another oil pump in, I pulled the crank and replaced the main bearings and rod bearings. Also put a new timing set in and replaced both front and rear main seals as well as another pressure sensor and put a new screen under it. Got all this done and the motor put back in the truck. Cranked it up (after priming the oil pump) and oil pressure cold was ~60 lbs. let the truck sit and idle about 30 mins while putting tires and some accessories back on. Once the truck got to operating temperature, my pressure had again dropped to ~20 lbs. I put 6 qts of oil in originally and got to thinking, the is what the manual says for oil change with filter, but I basically had a dry system with the engine apart and decided to double check the oil the next day. It was about a quart low, so I added another quart. Pressure at idle is still ~20 lbs after warming up. Am I missing something or is this normal? I have 184k miles on the odometer and bought the truck used with ~155k with no idea maintenance by previous owner(s).
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I recently had a delete done about 6-8 months ago. After getting the truck back, I was having an issue where my oil pressure would drop from ~40 lbs at cold crank to ~20 lbs at operation temps. Prior it would stay around the 40 range. Tried replacing the pressure sensor (took out the screen under it), found out the mechanic didn't put in the AFM plugs or the oil bypass plug so I did this myself. While doing this I put in a new oil pump and pick-up tube O-ring. After this the pressure still did the same. Thinking I got a bad sensor, I put another in. Still the same issue on oil pressure. Then about a month ago my new oil pump went out (I didn't prime it). So while putting another oil pump in, I pulled the crank and replaced the main bearings and rod bearings. Also put a new timing set in and replaced both front and rear main seals as well as another pressure sensor and put a new screen under it. Got all this done and the motor put back in the truck. Cranked it up (after priming the oil pump) and oil pressure cold was ~60 lbs. let the truck sit and idle about 30 mins while putting tires and some accessories back on. Once the truck got to operating temperature, my pressure had again dropped to ~20 lbs. I put 6 qts of oil in originally and got to thinking, the is what the manual says for oil change with filter, but I basically had a dry system with the engine apart and decided to double check the oil the next day. It was about a quart low, so I added another quart. Pressure at idle is still ~20 lbs after warming up. Am I missing something or is this normal? I have 184k miles on the odometer and bought the truck used with ~155k with no idea maintenance by previous owner(s).
I have a 2007 Suburban z71 that lifters started ticking Y E A R S ago but no one felt it was a big deal. I know my truck, but didn't know enough about engines to push my intuition that somethings were going wrong for a while. Then fall of 2020 my oil was milky .coolant in my oil.. engine death!! ugh! The truck was having sporadic issues, but never for any mechanic for 3 months, then it did... and it was jerking badly (stabilitrac light on) when changing gears, and well,... just a mess! Lost cylinder #1. Got a crate engine WITHOUT AFM. however, now (long story, my mechanic that installed the engine is unable to help with some final issues for a few more months...can't even talk to him.. ) The valley cover from the original AFM engine is still plugged in to the truck and is zip-tied to my engine until it can be removed... if I unplug it, I lose power, it will start, just totally fubars the power. And, without the disabler plugged in, my cruise control is annoyingly inconsistent and maintaining steady speeds without cruise control is annoying- feels like have taken my foot off the gas every couple minutes or more. The disabler stopped both those issues but why do I need it if my new engine is NOT AFM? and what needs to be done to get this valley cover removed without losing power? Truck is running well except that engine light came back on & has been one for a month now since having disconnected the valley cover to see how it would run... not... so plugged back in and engine light remains on. (which means I can't use remote start... a pain, but..yet another thing, ya know?)
(can't wait to hear reactions to "valley cover is zip-tied to the side of my engine.." Haha!
(can't wait to hear reactions to "valley cover is zip-tied to the side of my engine.." Haha!
Last edited by KChapin; Mar 23, 2022 at 4:18 PM.
"It is nice to find another 2015 Silverado owner with same issue. Not that I wish this on anyone. My truck chirps and at high speed it becomes more of a ticking. Seems to be near 4 cylinder on passenger side. Mine drives fine with no noise after about 7 minutes. It is as if the engine needs to heat up or pressure needs to build before that lifter starts operating correctly. What a frustrating system that when you learn about it you realize it is doomed for failure. I would not have bought this truck had I known anything about this problem. Glad you found a solution. Thank you for the information. Helps me to proceed."
I have a 2007 Suburban Z71.. bought it brand new. Lifters started ticking around 2012 - not every time I started it up, but as the years passed it was more frequent. Same as yours, it would eventually quiet down and be fine the rest of the day. Only heard it on idle. I mentioned it to various mechanics- not at the dealership as I never go there once warranty ends- and no one thought it was anything to worry about. Also, being a woman, my cousin gets a bit tired of me having something to check all the time!! I admit, it was often a little something I heard or felt &, because he doesn't drive it all the time, he couldn't pick it out. I know my truck very well- and now that I ended up with coolant in my oil and lost a cylinder shortly after that (& several other things) - he and my husband take me more seriously and realize I know what I am talking about ! I should have been a mechanic... anyway, got a crate engine put in last August. NON AFM.. that was when I learned about this disaster of a design and how many people have been screwed... I'm out $7k .. however, still better than the $$ for a new Suburban or Tahoe! The high pressure oil pump and the way the lifters are with the towers and such... not a good set up. The disabler helps you not have a drag on acceleration, and, I believe it might help oil consumption but it can't save your engine from the crappy lifters and all...
I have a 2007 Suburban Z71.. bought it brand new. Lifters started ticking around 2012 - not every time I started it up, but as the years passed it was more frequent. Same as yours, it would eventually quiet down and be fine the rest of the day. Only heard it on idle. I mentioned it to various mechanics- not at the dealership as I never go there once warranty ends- and no one thought it was anything to worry about. Also, being a woman, my cousin gets a bit tired of me having something to check all the time!! I admit, it was often a little something I heard or felt &, because he doesn't drive it all the time, he couldn't pick it out. I know my truck very well- and now that I ended up with coolant in my oil and lost a cylinder shortly after that (& several other things) - he and my husband take me more seriously and realize I know what I am talking about ! I should have been a mechanic... anyway, got a crate engine put in last August. NON AFM.. that was when I learned about this disaster of a design and how many people have been screwed... I'm out $7k .. however, still better than the $$ for a new Suburban or Tahoe! The high pressure oil pump and the way the lifters are with the towers and such... not a good set up. The disabler helps you not have a drag on acceleration, and, I believe it might help oil consumption but it can't save your engine from the crappy lifters and all...
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